An interview – conversation between Hassen Lorgat (Bench Marks Foundation) with Jan Morrill,Tailings Manager, Earthworks.org follows the webinar Mine Waste Leaves Toxic Legacies In South Africa. This event also provided the platform for the international launch on 31 May 2022 of Safety First: Guidelines for Responsible Mine Tailing Management (available at www.earthworks.org/safety-first coordinated and produced by Earthworks, Mining Watch Canada and London Mining Network The event was organised by the Mine Tailings Working Group of South Africa which is a partnership of civil society groups including the Bench Marks Foundation, Federation for Sustainable Environment (FSE) and IANRA. The full report and recording are also available on the www.bench-marks website.